Watchmen (2019) S1 E1
SgtPancake -3 points 4 years ago.

Lmao, you’re putting words into my mouth and completely ignoring what I actually wrote. I never once stated that Rorschach was right or that I agree with him completely.

I also never said Rorschach had made any decisions himself. I said “willing to die rather than ACCEPT Ozymandias’ decision”.

He also didn’t agree to just die. He said to Dr Manhattan to kill him OTHERWISE he would not be able to keep the secret as Ozymandias had failed in convincing him to do so.

“Actively make it better” after millions died against a made up enemy? Dr Manhattan was never against the world. The only coward I see is Veidt who instead of opting for a slow and methodical approach to making the world better, decided to cause mass genocide like it was some game where you could press the reset button whenever you so chose.

The one who took active measures to improving lives was Rorschach. Yes, his methods were extreme and they could absolutely be improved upon (I’m not out of my mind) but how many lives did he save? Far more than Ozymandias did as he actually destroyed millions of INNOCENTS! Or did that escape your notice?

Furthermore, Rorschach was never about race. He was about the corruption of power and politics. His was the answer to how far was too far in the pursuit of justice. Yet what did the writers of the show do? They made it about race. Ignoring the fact that within the continuation of the Watchmen comics the second Rorschach is actually black.

I had no idea that Gibbons said Rorschach was like Hitler. What the fuck? Was that guy high when he worked on Watchmen or what? Rorschach is more like the Grim Knight from the Dark Multiverse if anything.

Euringer -2 points 4 years ago.

I..never said you said that, now you’re just being defensive and seemingly arguing against your own made up points. The fact that Rorschach is a parody of Randian superheroes -fact, from Alan Moore’s mouth- shows that you thinking he was doing good and Veidt was doing bad reflects your own beliefs, right? Nobody ever said Veidt was a hero or Dr Manhatten was bad, or anything, just that Rorschach -definitely isn’t a good guy-. “Did that escape your notice” oh lord. Even if Rorschach had actively saved many lives, which he didn’t that’s not the point. In the end he could have done any number of things to help in his own way (that doesn’t mean working with Veidt) including lying about going along with the plan and personally exposing it, and in fact doing so would have been him keeping in line with his “Black and white, no grey areas!” philosophy. By allowing Dr Manhatten to kill him, he was admitting there are grey areas, invalidating both the thing that people commend about him and the vital point of parody shared between Rorschach and The Question - moral absolutism. If you’re saying he should be lauded for his final decision to have his life ended, okay, but that decision wasn’t to save anyone. Also yes, if you’re limiting it to comic book characters, there are lots of parallels for Rorschach that are probably a lot better than Margoret Thatcher, but keeping in mind how much Moore hated Thatcher and Ayn Rand it seems quite apt for the co-creator to compare his negative aspects with conservative political figures.