The Rachel Maddow Show (2008) S2021 E37
nikkimckelvy -3 points 3 years ago.

“murder of a US resident by a foreign leader who then had excuses made for him by the previous US president.” -The journalist in question was Turkish, and I don’t agree with Trump much either.
“I can question the queen of my country (that’s QE2). I can say pretty much anything I want about her.
Same with the royals from Holland or Sweden or wherever.” - Those are completely different cultures. A better comparison would be looking at England down through the ages, and shall we discuss what the kings did to people who insulted them 1500 years ago? QE2 is fantastic, but she’s the exception, not the rule, when it comes to questioning a monarch.
“Thailand has really strict legal protections for its king. But nobody gets murdered for breaching them. “ Are you even close to being aware of what’s happening in Thailand right now? There’s a ton of fighting b/c it’s illegal to question their government.
“respects the rule of law - like the US - and suffer no consequences,” Americans just got rid of an a— who didn’t respect the rule of law and suffered no consequences- but I digress.
“The fact that this douchebag thinks he is some representative of god who…” He, and his people, honestly believe that there is something superior in their blood. English kings and queens argued that point for over a millennium. Historically speaking, the God-King philosophy has proven itself to be one of the most effective forms of governance.
I’m not arguing the rightness or wrongness of the prince’s actions. I’m saying that this is a conflict of ideoloigies. I’m also saying that journalist was suicidally stupid for writing that and then entering into that embassy. He can write it, but he should not have expected anything good from that government. He could have hired a representative to go in there for him.

publicOnline 4 points 3 years ago.

The journalist was a Saudi citizen and he needed paperwork to get married to a US citizen. Ultimately, his marriage could’ve allowed him to gain US citizenship. Him going to that Saudi consulate in Turkey was seen as a minor risk: that’s why he flew to Turkey rather than fly to Saudi.
Of course he underestimated the ruthlessness of MBS and paid dearly.
Most leaders don’t order people be dismembered and bloodily murdered in their consulates! Blaming the victim is unwarranted.