Unfit: The Psychology of Donald Trump (2020)
somniloquist 2 points 3 years ago. (Contains Spoilers)

Sure, let’s talk about the sainted Marat in his bath. Because, surely, the note that David depicted him writing on behalf of the poor was real. Then we can talk about how David ended up in Napoleon’s lap.
But what you’re really asking me is whether or not I approve of the acts of individuals during war time. Which, facile at best, is rude at worst. Can I assume you’re enjoying your time in the Third Estate?

I was quoting Furet. (And some of the Paris graffiti from the uprisings in 1968, which Furet so often paralleled with the end of the 18th century in the same setting.) Je vous en prie.

JackYancovicKohen 1 points 3 years ago.

Well we seem to agree on Marat at least, but I extend my distaste for him to the entire movement. There are a great many wars initiated for noble causes, and while this one on the surface may look like one, it was not. Nearly everyone was personally motivated. The 3rd estate only convened at all at the urging of Abbé Sieyès. What was he motivated by?

And for the record, 3rd estate existed for centuries before the revolution. All the revolution did was kill the First and Second Estates, along with 2/3rds of the representation for the Third. We can argue that they extended the vote, but that has gone back and forth a few times.

And anyway, according to Francois Furet, a French Revolution historian (highly recommend his book if you’re into the topic):

“the ambiguity of the word “popular” when it is applied to this period: “popular” the French Revolution was certainly not in the sense of participation by the people in public affairs. But if the word “popular” is taken to mean that revolutionary policy was formed under pressure from the sans-culotte movement and organized minorities, and received an egalitarian impetus from them, then yes, the Revolution had well and truly entered its “popular” age.”

The majority of the population was not even involved! So I’m probably enjoying being a part of the 3rd Estate as much as the regular French populace was at the time.