The Rachel Maddow Show (2008) S2021 E37
Paul Wombat 2 points 3 years ago.

nikki, almost everything you’ve said is either wrong or irrelevant. Jamal Khashoggi was a Saudi citizen and, like I said, a US resident. Nobody cares what was happening in England 500 years ago. I don’t care what Fred Flinstone got up to back in the Stone Age either. I live in this world at this time. So did Khashoggi, before he was murdered.
Am I even close to being aware of what’s happening in Thailand? Well, seeing as I live about half my life there, yes. And we were talking about what happens when you get on the wrong side of a god-king, not the military junta that rules Thailand. You’re switching focus and pretending they’re the same.
Are you now trying to defend undemocratic military dictatorships as well?
How stupid or naive this bloke was it irrelevant. That’s a really dumb justification for extrajudicial murder.
Your strange ideas about absolute monarchy being an effective form of government simply show that you have no knowledge of history. There’s a reason why it was called the Dark Ages and why European culture only flourished once checks were placed on the power of those born to imagined divinity.

nikkimckelvy -1 points 3 years ago.

My position, sans insults, has always been that we don’t have the right to force one culture onto another. Who are we to judge? Do you rule an entire government? Let’s take your comments as you’ve made them.
“Nobody cares what was happening in England 500 years ago”. You brought up England and the monarchy there. If you don’t like it, don’t bring it into the debate. I argued that it didn’t apply when I said that they were different cultures and didn’t apply, QE 2 is the exception, and the monarchs of England have historically committed murder and much worse over bad publicity. That is a crime punishable by death even under many modern governments.
As for Thailand, I argue that they are the same, but you point out that the European culture (implying monarchies in general) only flourished one a constitutional monarchy came into power. My response, “Like Thailand, now? Right?” Constitutional monarchies only work in certain environments. Absolute monarchies work in others. God-kingdoms work in other situations. All governments flourish under some circumstances and flounder under others.
As for the journalist’s murder, it wasn’t extrajudicial. The king has absolute power. He’s completely within his right.
I maintain my position that the journalist in question was suicidally stupid. He knew the risk, and he should have used a representative.