Watchmen (2019) S1 E1
Euringer -2 points 4 years ago.

I..never said you said that, now you’re just being defensive and seemingly arguing against your own made up points. The fact that Rorschach is a parody of Randian superheroes -fact, from Alan Moore’s mouth- shows that you thinking he was doing good and Veidt was doing bad reflects your own beliefs, right? Nobody ever said Veidt was a hero or Dr Manhatten was bad, or anything, just that Rorschach -definitely isn’t a good guy-. “Did that escape your notice” oh lord. Even if Rorschach had actively saved many lives, which he didn’t that’s not the point. In the end he could have done any number of things to help in his own way (that doesn’t mean working with Veidt) including lying about going along with the plan and personally exposing it, and in fact doing so would have been him keeping in line with his “Black and white, no grey areas!” philosophy. By allowing Dr Manhatten to kill him, he was admitting there are grey areas, invalidating both the thing that people commend about him and the vital point of parody shared between Rorschach and The Question - moral absolutism. If you’re saying he should be lauded for his final decision to have his life ended, okay, but that decision wasn’t to save anyone. Also yes, if you’re limiting it to comic book characters, there are lots of parallels for Rorschach that are probably a lot better than Margoret Thatcher, but keeping in mind how much Moore hated Thatcher and Ayn Rand it seems quite apt for the co-creator to compare his negative aspects with conservative political figures.

SgtPancake -3 points 4 years ago*.

Maybe you should stop smoking whatever it is you must be smoking. You told me I don’t understand the material facts and then proceeded to give a more detailed version of exactly what I said all the while adding things I never even remotely addressed.

“Rorschach had no decision to make on “killing millions of people”” “and he never had a say in those millions of deaths.” Never said he did in my previous comment so I’ve no idea why you’re mentioning it. All I said was despite Gibbons comparing him to Hitler, the ending suggested none of the sort. You’re the one that started rambling about Rorschach’s character.

“Even if Rorschach had actively saved many lives, which he didn’t” compared to what I said “Far more than Ozymandias” not that the lives he saved were many, only that he took active measures in improving lives. Again, not about the number.

“shows that you thinking he was doing good and Veidt was doing bad reflects your own beliefs, right?” Where did I say Rorschach was good? All I’m saying is Ozymandias is not at all better.

“including lying about going along with the plan and personally exposing it” because Dr Manhattan wouldn’t have seen right through him or Veidt for that matter.

“By allowing Dr Manhatten to kill him, he was admitting there are grey areas” Quite the opposite. He showed there were no grey areas that he was willing to bend to.

At any rate, you’re clearly incapable of properly reading my comments without interjecting your own assumptions into my side of the argument. I’m done.